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Prince Port-Style Racquets – More on our disdain of these villainous frames
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9:18 am
August 11, 2011


GGTennis

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Those who follow our blog know all about our love affair with Prince port-style racquets.  While we give them high marks on innovation, we find the attention to detail in terms of making them friendly for stringers to be seriously lacking.  In the past we have blogged about the issues with these racquets and the inconsistencies that can be attributed to the design issues.

In a previous entry on this topic we referred to the mess that is the top of this racquet.  With grommet insets barely deep enough to protect the strings, it creates some issues.  These issues are amplified when the racquets are strung using a two-piece method which happens to be the only way to install a hybrid.

Due to the design of the port-style frames, stringers have virtually no options but to tie off where indicated.  The trouble is when tying off the mains, the cross strings are then forced into slots/positions and crossovers that are not desirable.  In short it can get very messy.  Prince engineers have installed string guides that really only amplify the problem with crossovers and strings not being able to be manipulated where needed.

In our shop we have a fairly simple solution that we use in order to keep the top clean and professional.  It is probable that many of our blog readers already follow this process, but for those who might be frustrated by these blasted frames, here's a look at our solution.

After you pull tension on the outer mains, go ahead and clamp them off, but DO NOT tie off at this point.  Instead take your cross string and insert it in the space for the top cross and weave it through.  We advise to install it from the opposite side as where it is going to tie-off.  This will give you less to pull through. Go ahead and insert the end into the grommet where you will eventually tie off.  Give yourself plenty in order to tie a starting knot.  (Note, this will most likely be in the same grommet where the last main is still clamped off.  Makes it kind of busy in there, but all is fine…I promise!)

Now go ahead and take the opposite end of the cross string and weave it through, leaving a loop large enough to pull tension on the first cross. No other action is needed with this string at this point.  It is just going to wait for a few minutes for you to get back to it.

Now go back to the mains which remain clamped, but are untied.  With all strings in the channel you can now see how they are going to lineup when tensioned.  If any adjustments need to be made to avoid crossovers or to keep things running in alignment, go ahead and maneuver the main.  Since no tension is yet applied manipulating the strings should be relatively easy.  Once everything is aligned properly, go ahead and tie off your main string.

Next repeat the process on the opposite side.  Align the strings.  Once aligned, tie off the main.

Now it is time to pay attention to your cross string.  Go ahead and tie a starting knot.  Next take the loop you left and pull tension on the first main.  Clamp off and you are ready to continue with your crosses.

Those that have read our previous entry will immediately note we have abandoned the 50/50 method.  While the 50/50 method is clearly acceptable, we prefer this method because it is much easier to manage the flow of strings in the top trenches.

In order to be comfortable with this method, we string these racquets on our Baiardo that has a killer braking system.  More importantly we follow a tip we read in a fairly recent RSI issue where it was suggested to mount the port-style racquets as low on the machine as possible.  (This means adjusting the machine to hold it as far down by the handle as can be managed).  By mounting using this method, there are only 2 or 3 crosses that fight trying to pull the string to the top of the port when tensioning.

So there you have it.  Give it a try.  The results look very nice and avoid many of the issues these frames create.  That said, if tomorrow all port-style frames in the universe were to miraculously disappear, we would not miss them.


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11:23 am
January 2, 2012


Irvin

Marietta, Ga

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Hummm? Tell me again how you do that with a two piece 50/50 if you ever do it.

 

Here is what I do. When I get up to the top I insert my second cross either above or below the string going from the outside main to the next one it.  Usually since most Prince rackets are 16 mains (not all) and skip 7 and 9 head this will be grommet hole 9h. Then on the opposite side I like to go out of the frame opposite the way I went in. So I cut an angle on the string the push the string so the angle is guiding the string the way I want to go.  Then I use the point in the top cross to prevent cross overs in the same manner.

 

Irvin

12:06 pm
January 2, 2012


GGTennis

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posts 147

Irvin,

We seem to be constantly changing our method/approach to Prince Port frames.  We have never found a method that we can really state is "comfortable."  The method described in this blog entry reflected what we were doing this past fall.  We no longer use the 50/50 method but rather we use the tools that Prince provides and we continue to experiment.  We continue to struggle to find a way to make peace with these frames.

I will give your method a try as it sounds interesting to me and I am always open to new ways of doing things and learning from others.  If you go to the original blog entry in the comments section John Elliot stated how he handles these.  I have also tried his approach which works decently.  Unfortunately it appears I have to be resolved that I am NEVER going to enjoy stringing Prince port-style frames.  They are too restrictive as I like to change tie-off points to minimize the length of run from the last pull to the tie-off point. 

7:06 am
January 5, 2012


Irvin

Marietta, Ga

Junior Partner

posts 13

I tend to agree with you for the most part. I do like the port design and the benefits it gives the player but it does present more than one problem. The tie off holes are really bad because you have a limited number of grommet holes you can use. I would not want to tie off in a port as your knot would end up on the outside of the frame before you can un-mount it.

 

Because the port allow the player to 'play to the edge' as Prince says you are going to have the strings digging into the racket. Isner's frame is a perfect example of that. He has the stringer tube the string where they contact the racket. You have to watch the racket you string really close for damage especially in the throat area when the string really cut into the grommets on some frames. Start watching the two outside mains in the throat area (usually 4t.)

 

The boomerangs are another problem. You have the string now coming in contact with three different points when you string the racket causing more friction and loss of tension. If you don't pick a method of stringing and stick with it you will not have any consistency over time. That is why I like the 50/50 method of stringing as it gives me the ability to better control the tension rather than friction controlling the tension.

 

Yes the Prince rackets are a pain to string. This grommet less system has been around for a while now and I think they will stay. Some of the earlier rackets that has limited grommets were the Wilson rollers, Power Holes, and the T-Series rackets.

9:29 pm
January 6, 2012


GGTennis

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posts 147

I find the port design to provide quite a muted on court experience.  The Prince port style racquets do not provide nearly the same feel/sensations as the older Prince models.  I fear the port-style racquets, if Prince continues to produce them exclusively, may lead the company down a dark path.

In terms of stringing they are unpleasant on many levels.  I agree that the 50/50 method addresses some of the issues associated with consistent tension in crosses, but even with that you have to be very careful with getting started.  Just take a string meter to the crosses where 50/50 is initiated.  I find it hard to get consistent readings with the other crosses and the areas of concern are too close to the center of the string bed for my liking.  I like the readings I get on the cross string better when I use the boomerang tool, in some cases.  Again, IMO, there is no perfect solution for these frames.  I wish they would go the way of rollers and power holes.  If we could only be that lucky!

2:51 pm
February 19, 2012


Irvin

Marietta, Ga

Junior Partner

posts 13

I have been playing around with the JET Method on my frames which are Hybrid Tours. I have found that on my rackets and most of the Prince rackets you can tie the mains off in the cross holes and the crosses in the main holes and skip over the 7th mains like the JET Method suggests. I still use the 50/50 method and it works for me. If you use any other method whether it be boomerangs brake or whatever you are going to get a muted feel out of the rackets because those method have greater friction (boomerangs) and the tension is lower (brake method.)

 

I can't understand how you can pull tension on a string that leaves the gripper at an angle and expect to have the same tension on the string that leaves the gripper. Simple vectors if you have 60 lbs of pull in one direction how can you get 60 lbs of pull in some other directions? Each port will provide a different degree of bend leaving the gripper. How does the stringing machine know what the degree of bend is and how to adjust for it?

3:16 pm
February 19, 2012


Irvin

Marietta, Ga

Junior Partner

posts 13

Also many time the muted feel comes from the type of grommet used in the throat. I hate those ones with the built in vibration dampeners. 

7:14 pm
February 19, 2012


GGTennis

Admin

posts 147

I do not use the published JET method on Prince port frames. I use my own version. The results are generally not as good in terms of measurables and unfortunately for players using these sticks, they can only get results that are somewhat less than ideal. You raise some excellent questions, but I am not the person to answer them.


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