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12:28 am
October 14, 2011
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Leung
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Just out of curiosity: since L-TEC polys is said to hold tension/playability better than other co-polys, would that make L-TEC a more ideal cross string for natural gut mains? I've never tried the gut main/poly cross combo but I heard that gut pretty much holds tension/playability throughout the entire string life, so a poly that retains playability the longest would probably be the best.
Also, would the 4S be a slightly better cross for nat gut than OS? I noticed from the the L-TEC performance guide that OS main + 4S cross seem to play the best. Is that due to the shape of the 4S that provide the largest and flattest surface for the round mains the slide back and forth on?
I'm definitely looking foward to trying out this combo (maybe only once since nat gut is so expensive) in addition to the 4S main/L-TEC gut cross combo.
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12:46 am
October 14, 2011
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GGTennis
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Leung,
Excellent questions. L-TEC strings blend nicely with natural gut. The tension holding ability helps make it an exceptional match.
The unique squoval shape of the 4S does exactly what you describe. It allows the strings to slide free and easy without notching.
I saw the reverse blend blow some very important people away at the GSS Symposium a few weeks ago. While we have not playtested this exact combination in our shoppe with local playtesters, there is no reason to believe it would not be a winner.
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1:12 pm
October 14, 2011
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Leung
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I'm sure the L-TEC main/nat gut cross works great, as evident by your testing and the number of touring pro using poly main with gut crosses.
Unfortunately as of right now I don't have much extra cash to blow on nat gut, so if I were to buy 1 set of gut I might as well put it on the main to get the stringbed to play as close to gut as possible, whereas in reverse the stringbed would play more like a poly. Also since I've always used poly, the poly cross would give me more spin than a full bed of gut. (and cheaper too!)
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5:12 pm
October 14, 2011
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mixedmedia
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I too prefer gut/poly as opposed to poly/gut for the same reasons you described.
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5:14 pm
October 14, 2011
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mixedmedia
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Oh, and I say try the OS cross (I originally looked at that too).
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3:00 pm
February 11, 2012
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mixedmedia
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Actually, now I'm pretty interested in the ideas of a string that doesn't notch. Cofocus does a nice job of this, but does cut into the gut still. Any idea how significant the improvement would be using a 4S type shape over a traditional shape and string savers?
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3:45 pm
February 11, 2012
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mixedmedia
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Couldn't the increased surface area also decrease spin production, though, because of increased friction?
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8:55 am
February 17, 2012
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GlenK
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I have just ordered two sets of L-Tec 4S and 2 sets of Wilson Natural Gut to test as a hybrid. I also use gut mains. My current set up is in my signature. With a current tension set up of 54-52, what would you recommend as the initial tension set up using L-tec??
I have also read that these strings play well using the JET method for stringing them. If so, would you recommend using JET right off the bat??
Looking forward to giving these a try. I am a 4.0 player with an all court game. I hit with average spin off the ground on both sides and volley an above average amount. Playability is my top priority and love set ups with control and feel.
I like access to power but me and my shoulders are a bit to old to be overly concerned with power.
Thanks for any help and suggestion!!
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Head YouTek Prestige MP (18x20) – Wilson Nat Gut 17/Lux Supersense (54/52) – Gamma X-Els
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8:56 am
February 17, 2012
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GlenK
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Post edited 11:11 am – February 17, 2012 by GlenK
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Head YouTek Prestige MP (18x20) – Wilson Nat Gut 17/Lux Supersense (54/52) – Gamma X-Els
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5:38 pm
February 17, 2012
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GGTennis
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If you want to compare the L-TEC to your current poly with gut, then inserting the 4S for the Supersense will provide you with a direct comparison. In your frame, I think you are high on the tension. (I should note that I have limited experience with L-TEC blended with natural gut.) Using a standard stringing method I would be tempted to go with the natural gut mains at 52 and the L-TEC 4S crosses at 48. I think this would provide an interesting comparison to your current setup.
If you were coming to me with these strings and this frame, knowing only this limited information, I would probably suggest a hybrid with the 4S as the mains and Gut as the crosses. I would suggest using a tension of 43/41 using the JET Method of stringing.
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8:00 pm
February 17, 2012
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mixedmedia
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I'd say that might be a bit high too, but since you've been playing at that tension, why not try it there first and see how it does?
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8:49 am
February 18, 2012
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GlenK
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Post edited 8:51 am – February 18, 2012 by GlenK
GGTennis said:
If you want to compare the L-TEC to your current poly with gut, then inserting the 4S for the Supersense will provide you with a direct comparison. In your frame, I think you are high on the tension. (I should note that I have limited experience with L-TEC blended with natural gut.) Using a standard stringing method I would be tempted to go with the natural gut mains at 52 and the L-TEC 4S crosses at 48. I think this would provide an interesting comparison to your current setup.
If you were coming to me with these strings and this frame, knowing only this limited information, I would probably suggest a hybrid with the 4S as the mains and Gut as the crosses. I would suggest using a tension of 43/41 using the JET Method of stringing.
Thanks for the feedback. I arrived at the 54/52 tension setting via the Stringway Tension Advisor. It plays great and is a perfect tension for this racquet. There is zero frame distortion using these tensions.
I will follow your advice and try Wilson Gut/L-Tec 4S at 54/52 & 52/48 using my current standard stringing process. This should give me a good feel for how L-Tec 4S compares against Supersense.
Then try them at 43/41 using the JET technique. Then reverse order with 4S mains and gut crosses. I ordered two sets each of gut and 4S just for this experiment so this should work out perfectly. The latter makes me the most nervous. Poly mains and my shoulder are a questionable combination, but I'm willing to try anything once!!
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10:54 am
February 18, 2012
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GlenK
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Post edited 11:35 am – February 18, 2012 by GlenK
OK, I just sat down and figured out JET at the recommended tension for my racquet. Wilson Natural Gut 17 mains with L-Tec 4S crosses. If I've done this correctly it should look like this:
Mains (18) 43 lbs Reference Tension – Slow pull, at least 5 seconds
Pull Order Tension
# 1 to 4 both sides……….43 lbs
# 5 to 7 both sides……….39 lbs
# 9 both sides……………..43 lbs
# 8 both sides……………..47 lbs
#7 - Tie off
Crosses (20) 41 lbs Reference Tension – Slow pull, at least 20 seconds
Pull Order Tension
# 1 to 3……………..45 lbs
# 4 to 18……………39 lbs
# 20………………….45 lbs
# 19………………….45 lbs
Tie off on 3rd from bottom.
Not sure about those last two crosses. Should they both be 4 lbs above reference??? Is this the correct process???
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Head YouTek Prestige MP (18x20) – Wilson Nat Gut 17/Lux Supersense (54/52) – Gamma X-Els
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7:12 pm
February 18, 2012
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mixedmedia
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From reading the article that looks right. But maybe GG will correct me.
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7:27 pm
February 18, 2012
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GGTennis
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GlenK – you are correct. Next time I speak with John Elliot I intend to get his perspective on how to best blend with natural gut. At the symposium in Sept., I witnessed a sales representative from a major manufacturer play test the 4s mains with a natty gut cross. He was shocked at the comfort and performance he found in the setup. Claimed the fell was every bit as good as the full gut setup.
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7:42 am
February 19, 2012
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GlenK
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OK, thanks guys!! I'm ready to give this a shot. Going to string it up tomorrow and give it a try Tuesday morning. Can't wait!!!
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Head YouTek Prestige MP (18x20) – Wilson Nat Gut 17/Lux Supersense (54/52) – Gamma X-Els
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10:39 am
February 19, 2012
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mixedmedia
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Nice. Looking forward to hearing the feedback.
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